Chapter 3 of LOOKING BACK
by John E. Hunt
c 1996
C H A P T E R 03
(1959-1961)
Newfoundland and the visit with the relatives in New England were behind us and we had settled in to our new home at Virginia Beach, Virginia (actually about seventeen miles from the beach). I started school at Princess Anne High School on Virginia Beach Boulevard, about five miles from the beach proper.
The school was much bigger than I was used to. Classes had in excess of thirty students. Teachers were not able to devote as much time to individuals as had been done at my previous school. I'd missed about two months of school just traveling and visiting relatives. That, coupled with the fact that I had to learn the dreaded trigonometry that year, and couldn't get a grip on it, lead to low marks on my report card (some C's and even a D). I hadn't received low marks like that before, and it was very discouraging.
Bob Pellitier was a new friend I met, and a kindred spirit. He too, was unhappy in school. We began skipping classes and going to the beach. Occasionally, we bought some beer (I could pass easily for twenty-three, even though I was only nineteen – maybe I was just ugly) and went partying along the shoreline someplace. I didn't have a car of my own yet, but Bob's parents let him use their car all the time.
We talked of how discouraged we were with school and planned to enter the Air Force together. One night at the Beach, we partied a little too much, and we had an accident with the car on the way back. We hit a tree. The police made out a report and took us to Bob's house where he was promptly grounded. I had to call my folks to come and pick me up and explain to them what had happened. They were not happy and grounded me also.
I had three months to go until graduation, but I had no guarantee of that happening either. One day I went to the Air Force recruiter by myself and filled out the necessary paperwork. I had to get permission from my parents to enter, but after my current difficulties, I didn't think they would mind if I cut the apron strings. I got the permission, but later when I went back to the recruiter, I passed a Navy recruiting office and stopped in there to see what they had to offer. It sounded good so I signed a commitment. About a month later, I got a notice to report to Richmond, Virginia for induction into the Navy.
The year was 1959 and I had just completed a battery of tests at the induction center at Richmond, Virginia. I was called in for an interview with a counselor. He told me that based upon my rendering the correct number of answers on a Morse Code test consisting of three letters, a, e, and t, or dih-dah, dit, and dah, and the speed with which I copied them, he thought I would make a good radioman in the Navy. Obviously some other consideration must have been taken into account also, right? He said I was smart! Well, I didn't know about that, but it sounded like a job where I wouldn't be getting my hands soiled and would be privy to frequent contacts with my commander, which might lead to faster advancement. I said okay.
I was put in charge of about six other guys (actually given a plain yellow envelope that contained our orders assigning us to the United States Naval Training Center, Great Lakes, Illinois, and meal tickets for all), because I was the oldest or ugliest, take your pick. I hated that responsibility, but the guys were good guys, and didn't rib me too much.
We traveled by bus and arrived at the Center around 2:00 a.m., dragging our butts off the bus. We were led like cattle into this building with a huge room and a lot of tables and chairs. They gave us more tests until about six in the morning. Any sleep we had, had been on the way up on the bus. I guess they were trying to see how the fatigue factor entered into the equation on the test results.
I should mention that this was early April 1959, and winter weather still prevailed. The Center was just outside of Chicago, and cold winds blew right off Lake Erie, to frost our exhalations and shiver our bones.
When we had completed the test, they told us to leave our luggage, fall outside into a formation and go to the mess hall for chow. The normal pace of any recruit is at a run or jog, so that is what we had to do that morning. The necessity of posting a road guard at intersections before crossing streets was quickly explained and apparent once we took off. Recruits who had been there earlier, had seniority at the crossings and we had to put up with the disparaging chants they uttered about us as they passed. We were still in civilian clothes and these guys looked like seasoned veterans in uniform; some were even in step. We truly must have presented a bedraggled sight to them!
My first meal in the Navy consisted of a hot cup of coffee, a tin tray loaded with steak and beans, bacon and eggs with toast, and a glass of milk. I had never had steak and beans for breakfast, but I quickly began to enjoy the meals and could never get enough food, it seemed. I did not realize that the physical regimen we trained under and the classroom work we did was changing the physiological makeup of our bodies. I'll say more of this later.
We spent the remainder of the day getting issued bedding and clothing, for which we had to be measured, and they had a whole gaggle of tailors who went over our bodies carefully with a tape measure and noted various sizes at pertinent points. None of us could understand why the clothes fit so badly when we wore them later. The tailors had been so meticulous in their measurements. We were assigned a barrack, a bunk and locker, and instructed on how to store our gear and make our bed. Of course, we didn't get to bed until later that night at about 9:00 p.m.
Day two arrived at the ungodly hour of 4:00 a.m., in the form of bright, glaring lights from the overhead rafters and a sound like thunder sitting on top of my head. The noise, I subsequently learned, is the sound a coke bottle makes when it is spun round and round inside the mouth of a corrugated trash can, of which, three were evenly spaced down the center aisle. They seemed to have been strategically placed there to allow our drill instructors (DIs) to get our maximum attention at this hour.
We were told in no uncertain terms that we only had thirty minutes to take care of our three S's (shit, shower and shave), get dressed (again in civvies because we hadn't yet marked our clothes with stencils), and fall out in formation for chow. This we proceeded to do with varying degrees of success and a lot of grumbling.
The day was devoted to having stencils made, learning how to mark all our clothing, to include handkerchiefs, how to fold and stow them in a 3' x 3' x 3' foot locker (a place for everything, and everything in its place), and getting a haircut that put a bowling ball to shame.
The start of the third day was the same, but later we met our chief petty officer (CPO Hartley) who was the head DI for our company. We were issued a rifle (M-1 Garand), and told to memorize the serial number. We never fired it. The rifle was to be used to perform exercises called the Manual of Arms and there were sixteen of the exercises. These exercises built our upper-body strength and honed our coordination. We learned how to disassemble it, clean it, and put it back together again, along with the standard issue .45 caliber handgun.
Classroom instruction on military history, terminology, proper methods of address and salutation between officer and enlisted members; the art of swimming and instruction on moving in formation (faces and obliques), took up most of our daily lives. We also learned how to mount a guard on a dumpster for a twenty-four-hour period and the reason for having a fire guard. This was good practice for later when we might be called upon to guard something of more importance. Actually, the guard on the dumpster was occasioned because someone had gotten caught with a woman in one of the dumpsters and they hadn't been looking for something to eat.
On a daily basis, personal hygiene was checked twice daily during formation. You were stood at attention and when the DI passed in front of you, you were expected to reach up with thumb and turn out the neck of your T-shirt. That little white seam that runs around the collar had better not be dirty! Most of us learned to wash our clothes properly, often, and every day. This included the white spats, which had to be worn over the boots.
Clothespins were not used by recruits to hang clothes to dry. Instead, we were given twine ties that had metal studs on each end to prevent unraveling. We learned to tie off the corners of our shirts, pants, handkerchiefs, socks, or whatever, with these ties, and it must be a square knot that was used, and not a granny knot. The ends of the ties had to be even and not protrude more than a half inch. Mother never had it like that!
The time went by very fast, and those who couldn't take the strain were weeded out. Some sickness and injury occurred, which eliminated others. I caught rubella but was not absent from my company long enough to be set back. Graduation was fast approaching, but first we had a liberty coming in downtown Chicago.
The pomp and ceremony of a graduation from USNTC, Great Lakes, Illinois, with the huge parades of newly made sailors marching in review to band music, colorful banners, bright swords, clean uniforms, and expectant friends and relatives sitting in the stands, is a sight that is very stirring. It also takes a lot of practice to pull off to perfection. The last several weeks of boot camp were devoted to getting the moves on the field down pat.
During this period, we were allowed a little more freedom and even given liberty to downtown Chicago, as long as we stayed in uniform. This was a part of the regular initiation of every sailor. He could strut the street in his uniform, showing how sharp he looked. For the more adventurous (and there were always some), the tattoo parlors on State Street beckoned. Other things beckoned on State Street, also. There were the burlesque houses (since closed down, I hear) made famous by such delightful people as Fanny Brice, W. C. Fields, Bert Lahr, and the notorious bevy of scantily clad strippers who traipsed across those stages.
We finally graduated and got our orders to our next duty stations. Most of us took a short leave of absence to visit at home before reporting to our next assignment. Our good-byes were said, and sad, and it was not many who would see each other again, but some of us did. We made some strong friendships there.
I went home to Virginia on leave. My friend Bob Pellitier had gone into the Air Force, and I never saw him again. The time at home was short, but I was glad to take my departure and get on with my training at Radioman "A" School in Bainbridge, Maryland.
In late summer of 1959, I traveled by bus to Hyattsville, Maryland. The driver let me out at about eight o'clock at night at a small store where I was instructed by the proprietor to call the base (the number was on the wall next to the phone) and they would send someone out to get me. This I did, and sure enough, some transportation arrived and took me to the base. I gave a copy of my orders to the duty petty officer, was issued some bedding, and given temporary billeting for the night in a barracks full of other slumbering shapes. There wasn't much talking that night; everyone appeared tired.
In the morning we were taken to the mess hall in a group, but there was a little more decorum to the procession. It didn't seem as though we were being herded, and we were not made to run or march at lock-step. The mess hall was huge and looked like a converted airplane hanger. It had picnic-style tables and benches, which stretched from wall to wall and could feed about a thousand men and women at a sitting.
Along the walls and behind them were several small kitchens where trays were handed in through slotted windows. A trainee separated the knife, fork, and spoon into a tray, dumped and scraped any slops from the tray into a trash can, and emptied cups or glasses of liquid and placed them in a tray. All these items, in their own trays, were then placed on an assembly line that fed through a very hot steam-cleaning cabinet. A trainee operated this cabinet also, making sure that the temperature was always hot enough. He had to check the dinnerware for cleanliness as it came out the other end too.
Everyone hated the mornings that pancakes were served because the syrup got on everything and was hard to clean. Everyone took turns learning each phase of the operation, because at one time or another, he did it all. Other trainees were waiting to carry the newly washed utensils back out to the serving line and separate and stack them properly to await the next meal. Besides the scullery crew, which is what this team of about six was called, other trainees worked the floor, constantly seeing to it that the milk machines didn't run out, the condiment containers remained full, and the floors were free of spillage. At the end of each meal, the floor workers were responsible for cleaning the tables, benches and floors.
Some trainees were detailed to work the kitchen where the food was prepared. Mostly they off-loaded supplies from the trucks when they came in, peeled potatoes, and sometimes broke eggs into bowls for the breakfast meals (I can still crack eggshells one-handed in each hand and empty the contents without spilling a drop of albumen). They washed the pots and pans, and huge mixing pots, and swept and mopped the kitchen constantly. Some were detailed to work the line (ladle out the food onto the trays) during meals, but we were never allowed to actually prepare a dish on the menu.
The reason why I went into such detail here is that every trainee had to pull such duty for three months straight, out of the approximately nine months he was there for training. This included me. Bainbridge trained more than just radiomen. There was a large contingent of fire control technicians and Waves (women sailors) who passed through there also. Waves did not pull the dreaded KP. Why this was so, I don't know! These activities began about three-thirty in the morning, and finished up between eight and nine at night. The day's activities left little desire, nor any time for socializing. Mess hall duty was generally taken up in the fifth or sixth week, after the trainee had learned the basics of typing and had some classes on basic electronics. I had already had some experience typing, so my transition through this period of time was relatively easy.
When I started radioman school at Bainbridge, Maryland, in the fall of 1959, I was part of a class of about forty-five students, who, with the exception of the Waves, of which there were five in our class, lived in large open-bay barracks, with stacked bunk beds lining either side of the room at regular intervals. The obligatory picnic-style tables and benches, of which there were three, were placed in the center of the room and were for us to sit around while shining our boots and brass, or sewing, or doing schoolwork, or just to relax and shoot the bull together.
Class leaders and their assistants were elected by democratic means among us all, but usually those positions went to the more experienced or older of the students. At any rate, those selected wore special arm bands that showed their position of authority within the class. They were given more responsibility over our lives, and less of the menial chores that had to be performed. For example, they did not have to pull fire guard at night, but they were responsible for making out the list of those who did. They made out the duty rosters for the chores that had to be performed on a daily basis, both at school (sweeping the floors and hallways at the end of the day, dusting, etc.), and in the barracks.
One of the additional duties of such a person selected was to make sure that the class was formed up, and marched in an orderly manner under its own banner, to the school area. We were graded weekly on our marching ability and appearance, and at the end of the month, a class was chosen as being, "The Best All Around," and given a new banner to carry, along with the class banner. This singular honor exempted us (if we were the winner) from additional duties at the school, such as police call (picking up trash and cigarette butts).
My particular class happened to have a gimmick that garnered this honor for us many times. We had a Scotsman in the class who happened to have a set of bagpipes, and he knew how to play them. We were the only class that marched to school with the cacophonous roar of bagpipes swirling in our ears. Let me tell you, it takes a while to get used to that! I'll bet Bainbridge never saw the like of us again after we left.
Classes were divided into basic electronic theory-lecture type, or hands-on lab work, where we actually built electrical circuits. We had typing and Morse code classes also. These last were the eliminators, especially the code. The requirement for graduation was to be able to copy twenty-two words per minute accurately on a mill or typewriter. This was no easy task and generally
proceeded in stages where one would reach a plateau, say eight words per minute, and get stuck for a week or so, but finally reach the next speed of ten words per minute.
You advanced in speed at your own pace or ability to copy that speed. If you failed to make a certain speed by the nth week of training, you were set back to another class. Naturally, everyone wanted to stay with the same class he started with.
It was not easy! I have seen some students go catatonic in the classroom, and have to be taken away by ambulance to the hospital. That code is a real mind-bender when you copy it day after day, four to six hours every day. I found that after being stuck on a plateau for about a week without being able to advance to a higher words-per-minute speed, it helped to go to the club and get drunk the night before. For some reason, copying code with a hangover made you relax more and not anticipate the next character, which is where most of us made our mistakes. In this relaxed stage, your fingers automatically hit the right key as soon as the code character was heard. This method of getting past a block was not always infallible and occasioned some bad days at school.
It was during this period of time, the dead of winter, that I got a case of bronchial asthma and could not march to class, or do anything of a physical nature, without gasping for breath. Fortunately, I was not made to march, and was given light duties. This enabled me to keep up with the class in school, and not fall behind and get set back to another group.
I took a job (non-paying) working in the library at night and was able to practice my escapism act (reading) during lax hours. The job consisted of taking in, and signing out books to patrons, refiling books on the proper shelves, and maintaining cleanliness and order within the library. The Dewey Decimal System became a familiar one. I met some nice dependents at that job also.
Relaxation on base consisted mostly of a gymnasium, which was quite far from the barracks/school area, and necessitated a good hike. I went mostly on weekends. For socializing, there was an enlisted club up the street that had a tropical motif and sold a lot of pitchers of beer. It was a close-by place, where one could go to unwind, and meet some Waves for female companionship. I think I had the only job in the area (the library) that brought me into contact with non-military female personnel.
I spent some nights, mostly weekend nights, and some Saturdays going to a roller skating rink on the highway just past the Hyattsville city limits. Trouble was, I had to hitch-hike out there and back. In those days, it wasn't so chancy a risk, and it was easy to get a ride. The police looked the other way. For advertisement of my destination, I carried my precision skates draped across my shoulders.
As I said, one place we used for relaxation after school was the small enlisted club on base where we could socialize. One of our number had purchased a cheap clunker of a car when graduation was drawing nigh, thinking to use this for his departure.
On a Friday afternoon after school, three of us guys, and three girls (Waves), who were all classmates, met at the club, and after several shared pitchers of beer, decided to pack small overnight bags, load into the car, and go to Baltimore to unwind for the weekend. One of the girls was named Goode; she was the blond, the other two were a redhead and a brunette, but I cannot recall their names.
It was all innocent fun, the trip there and eating at a restaurant at two o'clock in the morning, but the city was dead. We piled into the car and went back to base, arriving early in the morning, too tired to do anything but crawl into the sack to sleep it off. I mentioned Goode's name, because until graduation, whenever we all met together, someone was bound to say "I feel good." Of course there had been no hanky-panky on that trip, but the statement invariably made Goode blush and vehemently deny any such happening, and it brought a smile to all our lips.
Well, we finally made it through graduation and were now full-fledged,
School trained radioman strikers. We were strikers until such time as we made petty officer third class. If you substitute the word peon for striker, you will get an idea of our status. The good-byes were said, and again, they were sad, because of the parting.
Surprise, surprise, my new assignment was the United States Naval Communication Station, Norfolk, Virginia! I lived at home in Virginia Beach, and commuted to work at the naval station with my father and brother in the morning. This was the only time we ever got assigned to the same area at the same time. My brother was aboard a ship at the Norfolk piers, my father was stationed ashore, about a mile from the pier, and I worked in a labyrinth of a huge cement block building, with no windows, and a lot of antenna on top. It was located between the naval air station and the naval operating base, and only about five miles distant from my father and brother.
Our house was a little under twelve miles from the base, so it was about a
Twenty-three mile round trip by car every day. There were a lot of days that one or the other of us caught duty, which required making other arrangements for transportation.
A redheaded civilian man worked in the automatic switching center downstairs in my building. He lived out beyond me, and worked the same shift I did (three eves, three mids, three days, and three days off), so I arranged with him for transportation. His name was House, and he was a cigar-chomping, philosopher, with a quick wit, and gentle laugh; a fine man to know.
The blockhouse that was NAVCOMSTA, NORVA, had elaborate security. Everyone was expected to wear an ID badge to enter the building and throughout the day. An U.S. Marine guard was posted at the door to check everyone entering or leaving, and believe me, if you had seen this guy 100 times, and time 101 your papers were not correct, the only way you could get in to work was to have your supervisor come out to the entrance and sign you in; and when you left, he had to sign you out.
When I first started working there, I worked in the basement boiler room until my security clearance checked out and a badge was issued. I was a glorified gofer, you know, gofer this, and gofer that. Later, my first job was in what they call torn tape relay, which was located upstairs. The job consisted of logging in the teletype messages received on banks of machinery, making header tapes for rerouting to the addressees, and logging out those rerouted messages. It was not a hard job to learn, but it was tedious.
In 1960, my second job at the Naval Communications Station was working downstairs in the Teletype Automatic Switching Center. Someone from upstairs in Torn Tape Relay had seen me work and thought I was good enough to work downstairs, so I was transferred.
It will not be necessary for me to describe the exact operation, but in order for you to understand how complex an automatic switching center is, I will need to tell you its' function.
Automatic Switching Centers send and receive teletype messages all over the world, twenty-four hours a day, from Saudi Arabia to Seoul, Korea, to any place you care to name. All this is done electronically, and if routed correctly, without the aid of human intervention in between points. At the same time it is sending this traffic (that's what it is called), it makes a back-up copy of the entire message and how it was routed and numbered, spins this teletype, taped message off to a separate room at the back of the center where it is stored on a continuous reel of tape, which must be constantly monitored, tightened, removed from the reel, labeled with date and time and stored. This latter work did involve the intervention of humans and is part of the work I did in the center.
Later, we worked the floor and the back room with the taped reels. The floor work was the difficult part to learn. Picture if you will, a very long and wide room with a center aisle about thirty feet wide; it was very brightly lit with overhead fluorescent lighting. In the center of the aisle was an ultra-modern, four-sided, transmitting and receiving station, containing the latest teletype technological equipment. This station was always manned by the supervisor of the shift on duty. He was generally a GS-15 or higher, and a civilian. There were outgoing banks of consoles on the right and incoming banks on the left, stretching the entire length of the room. Each console was about four feet wide and contained, four, either incoming or four outgoing, pull-out cabinets with reels of teletype paper rolls.
The incoming cabinets had approximately 109 possible audio and visual alarms. The operators had to be familiar with how to correct the alarms (torn or twisted tape, improper transmission sequence of characters, wrong numbers, etc.), and the outgoing cabinets had about 79 alarms. The machinery gave off a constant and loud hum.
There were about eight operators per shift, not counting the supervisor. Most of the operators were civilians, men and women. Of the active duty military on my shift, there was a Wave radioman striker who went through Bainbridge at the same time as me, but in a different class, and me.
Our job was to service the equipment by changing teletype tape rolls when needed, and paper at the center aisle command station. We constantly tightened reels, logged, serviced, and reset any alarms which were caused by faulty routing, and answered request from outlying stations for reruns of messages they may have missed, or received garbled.
We were a major trunk line, with RBEK as a routing indicator, and Washington, D.C., or RBEP, as the other major trunk line on the East Coast of the United States. Over fifty-thousand messages passed through our facility every twenty-four hours.
That should give you a general idea of my work environment at this place of duty. I was there for a little over a year. In 1961, I got orders to transfer to the USS Hoist, ARS-40, an auxiliary repair and salvage ship berthed down the road at D & S Piers (destroyer and submarine). That is where my adventures really began.
I suppose I should tell you that in 1959, the base salary for a new recruit was only seventy-eight dollars a month. For the first three months, he didn't see any of that because it was taken out of his pay automatically to pay for his uniforms and equipment.
While working at NAVCOMSTA, NORVA, in 1960 and living at home, I put on a bit of weight. I went from about 137 to 187 pounds. I was known as "the bear." My uniforms had to be adjusted accordingly, and it got to be expensive. I'd been in about a year by then, and made one rank higher in pay grade, so I was making about $122 a month.
My new assignment aboard ship at the D & S Piers in Norfolk, Virginia, caused me to lose some of that weight. The ship was a salvage ship, known as a sea-going tug. We had experienced deep-sea divers, scuba divers, and some demolitions men, and machinists aboard, who could design and build just about any machined tool to accomplish a task, or could blow up the same. The ship's mission involved clearing the harbor of debris, or towing ships to safety if they lost power, or were not able to get underway.
My job was to support communications by radio voice/CW (Morse code), or teletype while at sea. I had to maintain the radios, teletypewriters, and transmitters in operational readiness at all times, keeping an accurate log of all incoming and out-going messages. Coding and decoding messages was another responsibility of mine. I had to know which messages were important enough to wake up the captain during the middle of the night, and which could wait until morning. A ship at sea could not survive without good radio operators, so the captain of the vessel depended very heavily upon his "eyes and ears," the radioman, and a strong rapport usually developed between the Commander and his enlisted communicators.
Our biggest operation came in early 1961, when the USS Baldwin, a destroyer being towed from Boston to Philadelphia, slipped its tow and went aground on the beach at Montauk Point, New York. This was an island resort town ($$$), but it had a lobstering community on the coast also. My ship acted as Task Force Command ship, and four other ships were involved in trying to get the Baldwin off the beach. They were the Windlass, the Luiseno, the Keywadin, and the Salvager. In the end, the effort was proving unsuccessful, and the beach had gutted her, so boarding parties went aboard and salvaged what they could (I got some new teletype machines and radio receivers.). She was dragged from the beach, towed to sea, and used for target practice until she went to the bottom.
One man was killed on that operation and two were hospitalized. A two-inch-thick u-bolt used on the tow line shattered, and the fragments hit one man in the head, killing him instantly and injuring the other two.
The Second Class Quartermaster who plotted the day-to-day operation on a piece of parchment, was a friend of mine. He gave me the parchment upon which he had plotted the operation. I still have it here at home. It has an "X" to mark the spot where the Baldwin went to Davy Jones' Locker.
Next we went into dry dock at Portsmouth for three months for an overhaul, which included stripping the entire ship of old paint by sand blasting and air guns, checking all joints and engines and repainting the entire ship. When we finished that, we took the ship out and ran it by the degaussing station at the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay to demagnetize it.
We were refitted and received our orders for a shakedown cruise to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. During this type of operation, the ship and the crew are put through every known emergency drill and procedure to make sure they are on a wartime footing. These drills included transfer at sea by hi-line from one ship to another, and target practice at air and sea-towed targets (the Hoist was fitted with 40-millimeter antiaircraft guns).
I had one night ashore in GITMO to look over old haunts, and tried, unsuccessfully, to locate my Cuban friend I played with as a boy, but he had gone to Florida, and I only talked to his sister. We returned to the States and tragedy.
We usually tied up at the D & S Piers at NORVA upon return to homeport. Instead, we were directed to the piers at Little Creek, Virginia, which was out in the boondocks about seven miles from town. There were some moth-balled ships tied up there. Everyone was tired; that shakedown cruise had been a real bummer on all our nerves. We were tested to the maximum of endurance both physically and emotionally. It was time to relax!
I invited the first class quartermaster and my boss, the first class radioman, to my house for supper. We stopped for a few cold beers and to play some pool on the way home. Supper at my house was very good, and Mom didn't mind the unexpected guests. She was good that way, I guess, because my father used to bring home uninvited guests at the drop of a hat, and she could always throw something together to make a meal. About 7:00 p.m., we made our excuses to my mother, and told her we were going to go to a dance just over the North Carolina State line. It was listed in the papers.
The car belonged to my boss, and he started out driving. It was a long trip, so we stopped occasionally for a beer. At one time, it was suggested I drive, but being unfamiliar with the car, I didn't. The QM drove out of the last beer stop.